Add the two numbers of your ratio together. Although later there are more. Make them small as possible, but make sure they can still guide the arm until its wheels hit the track. 1/4" at the very most. (0.4318 m) long 2 X 6 yes, it works 7 years ago. Measure the distance from the outside of one track support to the outside of another; do the same at the top. X 6.5 in (38.1 X 16.51 cm.) We used these to hold the weight bar in place, with small plates welded to them to keep the weight bar from sliding back and forth. If anyone takes the time to do a thorough dynamic analysis on an F2K trebuchet, and would like to share their results, please post them below. Keep in mind that the rails should be unobstructed, and the gap where the weight bar will go should be small enough that your wheels can easily glide over it. The original floating arm design originated in modern times, from professional and hobbyist engineers for recreational and educational use. Make sure that the washer in between the CW box and the drop channel is not caught on the bolts protruding from the eye bolts (Trigger pin holder.. things) Make sure it will be able to fall freely, But do not remove the safety yet. I really want to build a floating arm trebuchet, so maybe I'll do that between this year and next and we'll have stuff chucking competitions. I keep them in one of the mitered side support screw holes so I can easily reach them once I get the CW to the top. It shouldn't be too deep or to shallow for your projectile, and should hug the surface of your projectile well. *A few notes: the angles were based off of the sketchup model which had a few errors. nut, washer, guide block, wheel and bearings (Go together) , guide block, washer, nut. Place the tips of these boards 1 foot from the end with the tiny rectangle of wood. so then the long arm would be 3.5 times that It will differentiate depending on your ratio. The arm is done. Make sure your projectile is in the sling (Yes we do forget that a lot) the ring is on the pin, the CW bolt won't get stuck on the eye bolts coming out of the drop channels and that the safety blocks are still in, along with the weights (Obviously) (8TH picture) Then tape them in place. there are small cracks throughout the trebuchet now because I was lazy. Lastly, make sure everything is square. Ensure that the tension will be applied in a direction that is similar to the way it is intended to be used in a car door. Use a forstner bit or any other drill bit and drill holes parallel to the length of the long 1 X 6 and near the inside corner. The lines shown in the 9th picture show 2.5 feet. A mortise and tenon joint would have also probably worked. You may even be able to get away with less. I would probably actually be dead. Make sure the gap is aligned with the supports and the gap in the drop channels. Really, be careful. Try to make it as flat and planar as possible, as this will minimize the need for adjustments later. I haven't noticed any cracking with a 1 pound weight being fired at full speed, but a 6 lb weight will exert much more force on the arm because of its higher inertia.. Have fun and be safe. The bottom is the side where the 2 ft 1 X 6 overlaps the long 1 X 6. I'm kinda adding these as I think of them.. 2 1/2 X 10 eye bolts 16. Remember, if you make your drop channel wider for a wider CW bolt, You may need to cut the washers down even more and move the bolts farther to the outside. 9. circular saw (The one I used here) OR miter saw AND table saw I have no clue what it is for f2k, but it is a more efficient trebuchet. Basically, THE CW BOLT MUST BE MADE STRONGER!! Before you do that, though, make sure that you are driving them in from the bottom. You also will need to push them out slightly, so that the gap is 3/4" at least. but if you didn't (my bad) You need to recut the drop gap to 1/8" wider than the CW bar, cut the gap in the track slightly wider, and spread apart the track supports directly underneath the drop gap. Licensed under CC BY 3.0, via Wikimedia We spent around $300 in lumber and concrete, and several hundred dollars more on metal shafts, plates, etc. If you have a certain ratio in mind but you do not know the lengths, use this example: [2] The projectile can be launched at a high velocity.[6]. 6 segments of 2 ft., 5 in. Whatever you decide you want to launch with your trebuchet, your counterweight should be from 100 to 133 times the weight of your projectile. i need the axle on the end of the throwing arm to slide up and down within the rectangular slot running up and down the center of the main truss. You can cut the gap wider up to a certain pint, but the trigger design might limit the amount you can cut it wider. We're all a bit nerdy and geeky and figured a weekend engineering challenge was a good way to make camping and drinking more awesome. 2 rectangles of 3/4" in. From this line and out to the edge, cut 3/8" deep (Half the depth of a 1 x 6) with your circular saw every 16th of an inch or so, all the way across the flat side. Please comment for any They have the same orientation as the main track supports. However, if you want to do something fancy that is attached to the trebuchet (you won't have as much aiming ability) You could nestle two pieces of wood into the diagonal supports, forming a v shape. Although the trebuchet will work so small, it might be better to increase the arm ration. I've uploaded PDF's of the CAD drawings as well as a general schematic diagram for an f2k. Additionally stresses on the arm will be (exponentially?) 4. The arm wasn't too hard to extend, BUT whatever you use to join the parts MUST be strong enough. 4 years ago. Tighten the bolts together, sandwiching the washer. Cut them low but long out backwards. Still, I would make it a bit thicker. Taper the arm from a full 3" at the axle to 1" at the finger end of the arm (Fig. Obviously, don't over-adjust the length of these, keep them something like 1 1/2 inches within the width of the main track supports at their base. Documentation. Don't judge me) Virtual Trebuchet is a free web based trebuchet simulator. You done Keep pulling back on the arm until the counterweight bolt is about 3 inches over the topside of the tracks. diagrams showing the medieval trebuchet design vs. the modern floating arm trebuchet, and brings in the relevant math as well. I've definitely seen some trebuchets in that size range throwing tennis balls, 6" steel shot, etc very far. The axle will have to easily pass in between them. Mortise and tenon joints here would be best, but I didn't feel like they were necessary. Reducing the drop distance of the wheel axle to the glide track would reduce damage, but also reduce the range of the trebuchet. The two previous segments are diagonal supports. Bolt on the CW boxes. Record the next shot if the first one does not go well. COMMENT RATE Check the alignment of the rails and ensure they are relatively close. WebLaser Cut Desktop Trebuchet. Lay them on top of one another, making sure the edges line up. At this point, dry-assemble your trebuchet and ensure everything fits, and that the arm will move correctly. These will be the drop channels It needs to fit completely on the bolt. (2.54 cm.) The longer side is responsible for throwing, acceleration quickly due to the dropping weights. I would still recommend doing one, though. 10 1/4 in. 2 segments of 5 ft., 10 in (1.7272 m) long 2 X 4 Then just hammer the dowels all the way into the holes. Thank you for reading through all this, and let me know if you actually build this monster!! These are the four sections of 1 ft, 5 in 2 X 6. The angles shown in the pictures are based off of the sketchup model, but they seem to be correct. It's the same process of cutting slits, hammering out the wood and sanding it smooth. I might include them later. The sling lines, I bough 50 ft because i needed to cut the right lengths for each ratio, you probably wont really need more than 15 ft. (third picture on the right) RLT industries trebuchet.com It was an old rusty double- headed nail. um about 250 2.5 in. This will prevent the counterweights from falling. This is essential for an efficient machine. The first picture shows this. 2 rectangles of 3/4" in. so: There are plenty of places you can go on the internet to look for better ideas. X 1.5 in. Sorry I haven't responded until now. Remember that these adjust the front half of the tracks, the next bit adjusts the back. Use three screws in every place that the diagonal touches the track or support. (6.35 cm.) The CW bolt MUSTbe made thicker and stronger, otherwise it will bend and cause problems. ) Try to determine the problem. Again, the lengths can be changed slightly, but you want at least 22 feet of length away from the trigger pins when you fire. coping saw and orbital sander (The one I used here) Drill a hole somewhere near the end of the armit doesn't matter, but it should be at least 3/4" from any edge. It cost me about $130 not including the weights. Once smooth motion is achieved, begin adding weight, but do not fire anything until a max weight test is done. The arm extension is added onto the rest of the arm with three different methods. Next tape all outside edges so that the perimeter is completely taped. (1.27 cm) wood screws, phillips head drive, # 8 I'm sure this pouch design could be improved. 3. (This is actually for the trigger) 2 segments of 6 ft., 2 in. The person on the ground should pull back and down on the arm like a lever, using the guide wheel as a fulcrum. http://youtu.be/MS9OepeTELc, Reply User Projects. Tools (Forward to the direction of motion makes it release later, backwards= release sooner. Give it more of a flicking action than a long drawn out flinging. on Introduction. how long was the arm after the extension? Jump to page: DocBrown. Just as a reminderremember to add glue For each track support, you should use 3 of the 2.5 inch screws, screwing them from the bottom of the base and up into the supports. (We crashed once during test firing due to this) Be sure to bring bubble levels. You also want to keep the track in a straight line, otherwise the wheels will fall off the edge. Arm-sling constraint, arm roller on fixed track, projectile above ramp. Use a bowline knot. Then, use the sander to sand it down flat and smooth. The uncut section at the bottom should either be left longer, reinforced or improved. It has two ropes coming off it, one in either direction. Remember, though, that if your short arm is shorter you will need fewer bolts. If you need to beef things up, like the counterweight bolt and wheels, it might cost more. Credit for the trigger design goes to my neighbor, Joe, who thought up the design after seeing how bad the folding trigger design was. Keep the hole in between the main track supports and the diagonal track supports. If not, just measure the distances on each piece as accurately as you can. NEVER, NEVER LEAN OVER THE ARM!!! I won't tell you which one was the best yet, although you can probably guess. Make matching steel plates and drill holes into them for bolts and for both the counterweight bar and the axle, allowing room for steel pipe inserts. This will take some effort. We made ours so that the chain had a tiny bit of slack in it initially, which we took out by tightening the nut on the eye bolt each time we fired. Plywood also included in the arm upper arm/lower arm length 4 9/16 inch (115mm) / 2 3/32 inch (53mm) Grab 3 of the 2.5 foot pieces. In larger designs, the trigger system is applied at the top of the drop channel. WebStep 2: Prepare the Arm. 2 hand weights, 10 lbs (4.54 kilos)* Again, use a bowline knot. Luckily, It's also pretty simple to make. It would be better if both ends were one solid piece of wood. If it's too narrow at the top then the smooshing will happen as they fall closer to the bottom. Follow the measurements given of the depth and width of the cut. The If you want to, you can glue the joint, but only if you are sure you won't need to take it apart later. This was a bit too heavy as we had to load each weight manually to fire our trebuchet. Desktop / mini Catapult. Miter off one end of each at a 30 degree angle (with respect to the length of the board) This angle just makes it look cooler. SolidWorks was used here, although any CAD software or even a hand sketch would be ok. One advantage of 3D CAD was the ability to make an assembly and ensure a good fit for all the components, as well as smooth motion. (0.7112 X 0.0889 m) 3. There's tons of assumptions involved there (what's the drag coefficient of a pumpkin? Unless one eye bolt cannot support the weight, relax. So, again, cut off the ends of all the 1 ft, 5 in. To reset the device, the counterweight must be raised back to the original height and locked in with the trigger mechanism. anyways You can pretty much change the positions of these pieces as much as you want, but the positions they are in now worked great for me. 3. As I said before, the longer diagonal support will be on the side of the drop channel that is farther away from the end of the tracks. Their defining feature is free movement of an axle on the throwing arm, and a linear drop channel for the counterweight. 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